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The problem is that you are beginning with the premise that "socialism" is inherently bad and therefor cannot possibly be part of any system that you support. Rather than accepting that the awesome system that you support surprisingly contains elements of socialism - meaning that socialism itself is not inherently flawed. Once one understands that it is but half of the fiscal-political spectrum and not a boogeyman one can grasp how individual aspects of an economy can be socialist or capitalist while the country itself may be mostly one or the other. There is not a single country on the planet that is entirely one and not the other. It is simply not feasible. No more so than a country can be 100% right, or West, or up. The extreme of capitalism is anarchy while the extreme of socialism is slavery. And all of reality dwells in between with bits of both. The "mixed economies" in the middle enjoy the most benefit. This is true of most things in real life: the middle succeeds while the extremes stagnate.



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The reason people say it has never been tried is because it has always failed. Marxism is theory and it has never and can never be applied to human social environments. It requires murder and theft to accomplish and from the very start that dooms it to failure.
Socialism is a process step to totalitarian communism, a necessary step. Sometimes it is brief and sometimes it is as far as the Marxist gets.

The problem with some of these biscuits here is they have literally no knowledge of Marxist theory or a working knowledge of how Marxist movements were implemented, either as socialism or proletarian communism. Hence their sophomoric embrace of fluffy platitudes of what socialism is.



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Of course I believe it. I lived it, being one of countless examples of Americans who have "succeeded" by rising well above my beginnings, economically.

Socialism is quite simply put, the state ownership of production and distribution. Anyone with an over-room temp IQ should easily be able to figure this out. Socialism was only intended as a means to an end (communism) and not an end of and by itself.

You rightly point out that communism is a bad idea. I'd say it is unworkable for anything but a small group of individuals. But socialism is just as bad - state control of everything. I could write pages as to why that is a reeeeaaaaly bad idea - but I end with just this one:

Can you think of ANYTHING run by the government that doesn't generally turn into a clusterfück?



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Sure, like the Freedom to lose your entire life savings because you get sick and have to pay for hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of treatment. Or the Freedom to be born in a state which has no decent public universities and then have to spend close to $100k in out of state tuitions. Or the Freedom to have to work 3 jobs at the extremely low minimum wage just to afford food and rent. Or the Freedom to be imprisoned in the developed country with the highest incarceration rate. Or the Freedom to live in a state where Republicans decide what you're allowed to do with your own body, or (up untill recently) who you're allowed to marry. Or the Freedom to have to go back to work immediately after giving birth because you can't afford the only maternity leave your job offers: unpaid.

Why would anyone want to give those freedoms up?



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People love to try and conflate a social program with socialism. They are not the same thing - not even close. Welfare is a social program, it is not socialism for example. One of the things history has shown us is that both socialism and communism leave a vacuum when it comes to someone being in charge. In theory the "society" is supposed to control things but in reality most people are not interested in doing the work of being "in charge" thus the people you least want to have that kind of power tend to grab it in these societies and establish themselves as the rulers who know what is best for everyone else. But time and time again when the failures of the past are pointed out the "new" socialists argue "Well, if I was in charge it wouldn't be that way".



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Follow AOC etal...same communist message

CPUSA 2014:
The need for the Communist Party is as great as ever. Capitalism has cast billions of people around the world into poverty. It afflicts humanity with endless wars. It institutionalizes racism and women’s oppression, denies youth the hope of a future, and fuels discrimination against gay, lesbian and transgender people, religious minorities, immigrants and people with disabilities. Capitalism pits worker against worker in a global race to the bottom. Corporate interests wage a never-ending campaign to roll back people’s hard-won democratic rights. Capitalism’s insatiable drive for profits has poisoned the Earth’s land, sea, and air. Capitalism treats people and nature as disposable commodities in order to transfer the wealth of the planet to a handful of multi-billionaires.



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All of them...Democrats have become Communists... like reading AOC's Green Dream which the DNC and several Pres candidates have endorsed...

the new Democrat flag for the USA...

Capitalism has cast billions of people around the world into poverty. It afflicts humanity with endless wars. It institutionalizes racism and women’s oppression, denies youth the hope of a future, and fuels discrimination against gay, lesbian and transgender people, religious minorities, immigrants and people with disabilities.

Capitalism pits worker against worker in a global race to the bottom. Corporate interests wage a never-ending campaign to roll back people’s hard-won democratic rights.

Capitalism’s insatiable drive for profits has poisoned the Earth’s land, sea, and air.

Capitalism treats people and nature as disposable commodities in order to transfer the wealth of the planet to a handful of multi-billionaires.

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The Democrat platform...appears identical...

"The need for the Communist Party is as great as ever. Capitalism has cast billions of people around the world into poverty. It afflicts humanity with endless wars. It institutionalizes racism and women’s oppression, denies youth the hope of a future, and fuels discrimination against gay, lesbian and transgender people, religious minorities, immigrants and people with disabilities. Capitalism pits worker against worker in a global race to the bottom. Corporate interests wage a never-ending campaign to roll back people’s hard-won democratic rights. Capitalism’s insatiable drive for profits has poisoned the Earth’s land, sea, and air. Capitalism treats people and nature as disposable commodities in order to transfer the wealth of the planet to a handful of multi-billionaires". CPUSA



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The sad truth is that it is not possible to educate people about socialism, because everyone already knows that the purpose of socialism is to impoverish people, to enslave people, to devastate the quality of life of people, and to butcher people in the hundreds of millions.

In short, humanity is comprised of both good and evil, and some of us will choose evil, and no amount of "education" will alter the fact that a large number of people will exercise their vote the same way that a thug wields a lead pipe in a dark alley.

Would you try to educate the thug about the consequences of them swinging that lead pipe to hit you in the head?

Or kill them before they kill you?

The figurative, political death deserved by progressives is the only response to the evil they espouse.



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Intelligent progressives is a contradiction in terms.Anyone who is intelligent realizes that most European health care systems are not single payer. They have a parallel private system where citizens can pay to gain immediate access to treatment. I realize that this is an inconvenient fact for socialists that they frantically try to deny.
It's also a fact that socialist health care consumes the largest single expense in their budget, often exceeding 40% of government revenue, which means health care is doled out as a means of cost control.
The Venezuelan and Cuban examples obviously irk the socialists since these glaring examples of failure are the inconvenient truth that provide the most visible reasons to reject government run health monopolies.



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