1ºKristin Rinkus he didn't have a mental health record. Nor did he have a criminal record.
You did however mention he legally bought them, which means a federal background check was done (which has already been verified) and nothing came up, simply because he hadn't had a criminal record or a record of mental illness.
Again, making the change for a longer background check wouldn't have changed anything. The subway shooter would have still legally passed the background check, as would the Tops shooter and this Texas shooter.
Unless of course you are willing to make sacrifices with the 4th amendment and allow the government to monitor and search anything and everything you do. That would have been the only way to stop any of this. Isnt it your right as a citizen to give up those freedoms so kids can be safe at school? Roam the halls and such? It's just one freedom afterall.
And again, show me where an assault weapon was used.
This may be hard for you to understand, but making it harder to get a gun wouldn't have stopped this shooter. A day or 2, or even 5, on the background check wouldn't have mattered. He didn't have a criminal record nor a mental health record, so there would have been no reason to deny the purchase. A red flag law also wouldn't have prevented this, unless in that law it said law enforcement had the right to read anything you write, text or tweet, and listen to any conversation you have, be it through phone, Skype or person to person, without just cause, at any time they wanted.
2ºKen Campbell Because schools taught more than the four core areas back then, taught people to think and to actually survive in modern society. Now we expect them to figure that out on their own. Many places don't even make home ec mandatory so most come out not knowing how to cook, let alone do their taxes or handle their emotions.
I will say teaching gun safety would be nice, but that does not mean arming more people. Essentially, the school system's hyper-fixation on college acceptance (and football) has led to a drop in every other area where they should be preparing students for the real world
3ºHere is the policy change that is needed. The gap is simple once you do a background check on someone that just checked out of a mental hospital for psychosis and they pass. I am not saying mentally ill are violent, but there is a mental illness specifically regarding violence...psychosis. That illness has been legally prevented from purchasing firearms in many states, but they do not appear in the NCIC. There is no tie in to these people, they often go unconvicted by mental defect, so no felony in the NCIC either...they just breeze right on through on their way to a school.
4ºKristin Rinkus and again, you aren't listening. Criminals will find a way to get guns if they want to.
In this instance, he wasn't a criminal, didn't have a criminal record or a history of mental illness, therefore, he had the legal right to own a firearm. Should he have? No, but we only know that now because he killed kids. No amount of laws or restrictions would have stopped that. If he couldn't have gotten an ar15, he would have used a handgun, or shot gun, and if he couldn't get those, he probably would have used a knife or made a bomb.
Chicago Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws, and some of the strictest gun carry laws, yet each day Criminals get their hands on guns and kill people. Each weekend its more than 5 a day.
5ºLarry White No, pay attention. You are saying that schools should be secured. What that means is that children would not have as much freedom in school as they do now, to play, and have fun, because they would be locked down in their classrooms, indoors. You would prefer this, over making some sacrificies, as a gun owner? Although not ALL gun owners are school shooters, too many are, more than zero is too many, and something needs to be done, starting with making it a little bit more inconvenient for people who should not be able to buy guns legally, to buy them.
6ºMarvin Key its a very naive perception to equate gun owners with criminals . fearing gun owners is irrational propaganda used by politicians to get votes from spreading fear and mistrust, we are your friends and neighbors we follow the laws , as someone who lives in NJ a state with a multitude of redundant ridiculous gun laws I can tell you more laws will do nothing but fuel the black market and eventually make 3d gun printing and other methods of gun manufacturing a much more common practice . news media is a propaganda machine pedaling half truths and hidden agendas .
7ºKen Campbell "We took god out of schools". Good. Until one shows itself, no god belongs in school outside a social studies or literature class.
"We loosen drug laws and enforcement". Yeah. Someone messing up their own body shouldn't be illegal, marijuana is not a real drug, and if it's not a crime there isn't as much violence around it since it can be done in the open and criminals make less oney off of it. So good.
"Takes fathers out of homes". That is more telling about the fathers than the government.
Keep your god to yourself and your church until he is proven to be real. Fictional characters worse than Voldemort do not make a good moral foundation
8ºLarry White Yet this 18 year old with a very obvious mental health problem, that had been documented, was allowed to legally buy two assault weapons. So you're saying we should just continue with the way background checks are currently, change nothing? Making sacrifices as a gun owner, means agreeing to that longer process to obtain guns, but so many gun owners are not willing to, because they do not care, they would rather it be easier for them to buy their guns, then to save lives, lives of children. I can guarantee that most of us that are saying this are not suggesting that you cannot own a gun, or two, we are saying that something needs to be done to make it harder, because that's where the problem starts, it's too easy for someone who is clearly a red flag, to legally buy guns, specifically, assault weapons.
9º"Someone" (AKA: Congress) needs to fix the "problems" that has caused the decay in the U.S. We took God out of schools. We loosen drug laws and enforcement. We pass social programs that take fathers out of homes (and that's also driven by taking God out of youth's education). We obsess over multiple screens - computers / phones / TV's. Hollywood pushes violence. I used to take my gun to school in the 1960's to hunt after school. I remember taking my Uncle's M1 (a WW2 weapon) to school to show my teacher! God removed - society got much worse.
10ºThere's 330,000,000 people in the USA.
There's 400,000,000 or more guns!
There's going to be some shootings.
There's going to be some mass shootings from time to time.
That's not going to change.
Criminals are already in possession of several million guns.
They don't rot. They're not going to give them back, and they'll sell them to anyone.
In an average year 0.003% of the US population are murdered with a gun.
Yes, that tiny tiny amount.
Democrats politicians want you to believe it's a crisis and they can fix it.
They're lying as usual.
They just want you to vote for them.
If you don't want to own or carry a gun that's up to you.
But let folks who want to do it. It's their right.
One of them might save you someday If you haven't disarmed them.