1ºAaron Love well, women get paid disability when they go on maternity leave so clearly it’s considered a disability somewhere. It wouldn’t differ for someone with a broken leg, or a processing speed disorder, or an ‘invisible illness’ like Lyme disease or UC.
I never contended that there isn’t an advantage, but thanks for putting words into my mouth . It is my stance that the point of school is for students to demonstrate mastery of the material and that some people need more time (an accommodation allowed for under Ed code) to be able to do so. It was my contention that the accommodation for late work being turned in without penalty should extend to everyone as you never know what is going on outside of the classroom and that turning in late work does not affect, in anyway, a persons ability to show mastery.
2ºYa know, these articles make things seem so cut and dry, like there is an easy, obvious answer that benefits everyone.
I do think there are ways to accommodate people that have an emergency situation or medical situation and can’t be in class.
1. Stream it on zoom, that way they can attend from home. It’s not like we haven’t done this already. As long as it’s just classroom time and not a practical application/skill demonstration - should be ok.
2. Record the class and unlock the recording for excused absences, this allows them to attend and make up the absence.
3. Not much you can do for practicals, you have to be there for that. You kinda have to know your situation to know if you’re ready for that. You can bump it back or get a credit so you can make it up at no cost, but that’s about all I can see that’s realistic.
I mean, if this education is so valuable that they’ll allow thousands upon thousands of students to take out loans they don’t understand with no credit check - why not come up with ways that they can get their moneys worth?
This is one of the few business models that the buyer literally has no say or feedback over the quality of the product they receive.
3ºYd Williams I think those issues will always be around so long as we have “good ole boys” around. I will agree women don’t not have equal pay etc. hell in America they don’t even have maternity leave and post partum care standardized. I honestly see it more as a way for women to voice and advocate for themselves. Think of it this way. She could just deal with her morning sickness and not say a word. Those same people who want to throw women under the bus would then view it is as … “well women just exaggerate pregnancy and those “hormones” so it’s not that big of a deal” when in fact a pregnancy can mean life or death for some women and in some cases high risk pregnancies need to be treated with kid gloves. I worked for a company that didn’t give equal pay and promotions run by old white men and honestly when I was pregnant I was treated like “so what” well… turns out it wasn’t a so what situation. I was extremely high risk and I ended up being induced early because of complications due to stress and high blood pressure from that job. I had extreme morning sickness and I was bed ridden working off a laptop because the old farts saw my condition as “no big deal” If women don’t fight for reasonable accommodations men will treat it as “no big deal” just like they treat child rearing and delivery of a child as nothing because they themselves don’t do it.
4ºI got pregnant, after a year of fertility treatments, 2 months before our state’s mandate testing (I was teaching 3rd grade) I was in my first trimester and developed a hemophilia on my uterus and my dr put me on light duty so I didn’t hemorrhage or possibly lose the baby. I took the papers to my principal and told her what was going on. She refused to let me do light duty and made me take leave, on my way out of her office she looked at me and said “ just so your aware you did a disservice to your students getting pregnant before the test”. I finished the year (3 months) on leave and never went back.
5ºRiley Zook It depends on where you go. In Budapest you often work, because there are a lot of places that take part time. In my city about 10 years after I graduated one such company opened up. However, outside the capital we have a huge lack of job opportunities, so if people who go to uni worked, they'd be taking away the jobs from people with families. Also you need a degree for everything. Even just to be a waiter you need a certificate and at least a course that is about half a year to do, but you can also study hospitality, which is years.
6ºI have been teaching 22 years and I have had a number of pregnant students. For the most part it wasn't an issue. This article mentioned that there are rules for the "program" that the student is in. I wish we had more details. If this student is in a program that requires "clinicals", as a nursing program would, you can't miss those and make them up, for example. I'm all for accommodations, but there are circumstances under which it is in the best interest of the student to delay school for a semester or year. We live in a time where students think that they can and/or have to do it all at once.
7ºVince Moren That's fantastic hyperbole, but that's not how it works. I work in education and am pretty familiar with Disabilities Education Improvement Act(IDEA), Section 504, and Title IX. All of those legally binding laws and acts protect and accommodate people, but doesn't go to the drastic level you're trying to throw me off with. It means that, for example, if there a student with a learning disability such as dyslexia we have to provide methods and technology that can better help them learn. That is not hand holding, that is giving them the opportunity to the same education as everyone else. Pregnancy falls under the same protections as "temporary disability", or the accommodations you would get if you broke a leg at a job that has you standing all the time. Legally, your job would have to provide you a different way of doing your job- such as a stool behind a cash register. This is the same in education. The professor is by no means legally bound to hand-hold anyone, but they are legally required to accommodate medical situations and being late or unable to attend because she was vomiting her guts out is covered.
8ºRiley Zook From what I hear you'd better get used to it. Your labour laws are ridiculous. Our economy would probably collapse if they did work. We don't have that many jobs. Most fast food workers are recent graduates, but proper service jobs are a profession. Retail workers are adults that took a retail worker course, which is also a thing you can do, though it's free if you're not going to uni. Still, a lot of people leave once they graduate because they can't get a job. They often end up working in factories in Western Europe, because they don't want to work in factories. I'm actually working remotely myself to another city and doing a postgraduate degree to be able to freelance as a translator on the side.
9ºAaron Love no, when it was established as a reoccurring issue (I had several this year that were not pregnancies, but other health issues that would flare up) we would create a plan. For example, a friend will record the lecture for you, you will have a spread sheet in the Google Drive letting me know when you anticipate the work will be done. They will make arrangements with me to make up tests during office hours, this is how you will notify me if you are unable to make it to class etc. The responsibility is on the student. If the condition changes and is no longer an issue, the student will let me know and we return to normal. It’s just not that hard. I went to college 40 years ago and my grandfather (who lived with us) died my freshman year. I missed two whole weeks of classes. I made up my work and it was fine.
10ºRiley Zook Lol, then it would have taken me 8 years to finish uni. Every year I had times when I had two classes at once, this one term I had 3 at the same time. I had to, because I wouldn't have been able to take all the required classes every term. How many do you have to take in the US? We had to do at least 5 for each degree and also between 3-5 for the teaching track and some general classes and a PE that was in itself 4 hours, because the gym was at the edge of a city and difficult to get to.