1ºSome are saying he should have stopped when required to stop. We all tend to believe that if he had stopped he would be alive, probably, but not with absolute certainty. Some had stopped and complied but still did not live see the light of the day ie in Ford’s case. The issue is not about lack of compliance or disobedience or the gravity of the offence but of humanity or rather lack of humanity. Shootings a citizen and tax payer 46 times for a mere alleged traffic violation can hardly be justified as police work, service or law enforcement
2ºRobert Schlosser 1 - what defines a threat?
2 - what exactly is a "cop academy" (if it's anything like th 80's movies, people should be worried lol.)
3 - you say "scores" but don't dive into it, although you make it sound like certain parts of the target (thusly people) are worth more points. So... target practice is essentially a video game of sorts instead of a real world scenario?
4 - I messed around 4 years of college and got myself 60 credits. Doesn't mean I'm qualified to math, English lit, physical education or musical my way into anything remotely as important as public safety. Do you think those requirements are adequate or should there be more required - just like other major countries that have the same freedom/crime ratios as America?
5 - here is where I'm gonna have to disagree with you. There are MANY officers across the nation that - at their inception, passed a physical (not going to go into mental) and yet also MANY that couldn't pass that same physical assessment, yet they are still "on the force". So physical assessments are varies, which leaves me to believe mental assessments can and might be varied, but...
6 -protect and serve means to protect and serve those in your city or wherever you happen to do your job. We can agree on that, although there are multiple instances I will not go into that make the "protect and serve" duty invalid. Also, you didn't answer that question fully. I asked you what swore on when becoming an officer, but that's OK.
7 - I didn't ask you if you were happy. I asked you if you felt like you fulfilled your oath as well as if you feel your fellow officers fulfilled their oaths.
So there is a disconnect as to what you sre telling me vs what I was asking.
We cannot have a proper conversation when someone isn't answering questions. This isn't a dance. It's a conversation.
The person NOT conversating and giving round about answers - you should know because you were a cop - is usually hiding something.
Thank you for your time, but I do not want any more of this right now. Hiding behind simple psychological answers on Facebook is not going to make a conversation.
I see through you and your tactics because I know them.
Keep playing that game though. I'm sure it works most of the time here on social media.
3ºColton Cruise really? I'd like to stop looking this incidents through racial lines but the way cops react to suspects depends entirely on their race. And if you can't acknowledge that, then i fear we will not be able to have an honest discussion. The brutality cops apply to black men is waay different from white suspects! A mere traffic stop, can lead to the death of a person and usually they apologize but once a person dies, he can't be brought back by an apology. I can cite examples for you but you can research that amd see. People used to tell black men or still do that "obey the law and you Will not be shot"! With that statement, they then will look at his past record as if that justifies his death. But people who have never been affected by this things will never understand and until they do, you can debate with tbem till kingdom come but you will be looking at the same problem but still be operating from a different stimuli! We see things differently. Race has always been a cause and a factor in most unwarranted deaths of black people. There are white people who have stood with black people in demanding this kind of prejudice to end,but they have faced similar mistreatment from cops too just for speaking up! It is what it is.
4ºJoe Bialek let’s first start with you are criminalizing the gun and not the person. I don’t hear cars being criminalized for drunk drivers.
I don’t hear talk of limiting the horse power of vehicles because people are speeding.
As far as the military having their weapons tightly controlled and safeguarded, well the military has had the only tank stolen off base and used in a rampage. It was not stolen from a private collection. But all the collectors paid the price.
Just so you know the public can own automatic weapons and guess what they are not being used in the massacres.
Let’s face fact gun control does not work. Guns owners pass a background check. Law abiding citizens are being criminalized because the actions of criminals. And you will never be able to identify the mentally ill, or the evil in a person’s heart.
The more “sophisticated” weapon you talk about is the fallacy the government and media want you to believe. They only look different and futuristic, but function the exact same way a hunting rifle operate. According to that logic the more “sophisticated” cars today should be blamed for the poor driving habits, why, because today’s vehicles take more responsibility away from the driver which gives them more time do something other than driving. But we are sold the idea that they are “safety features”.
Bottom line we are are sensationalizing these type crimes. We need to bring back the family. To put down the electronics. To teach people to be accountable for there actions. To teach morals. Not “street cred”. To teach children how to deal with what they are feeling and not lash out. We don’t want to control our children, but want to control everything an adult does.
We all feel frustrated and helpless about certain things. It’s time to stop taking things that meant something away and start bringing them back. We need to stop trying to control each other’s lives and live our own. And when we interact, to realize that it’s okay not to always agree. And that’s okay. We need to stop giving up control of our lives to a handful of other, who are suppose to represent us and take back our lives.
The public not the government needs to take a closer look at the real problems and not the affects.
5ºTrevor Jensen they attempted to taze him and it didn’t work. He had allegedly shot at police from his car and it was then reported over police radio that he had a gun and shot at them. So when he jumped out and ran they all thought he had a gun still. They attempted to taze him as he was running and it didn’t work. He started to turn towards the police and that’s when the police started shooting. There were 8 officers that fired their weapons at that exact time. It lasted less than 5 seconds of shooting. The video is hard to tell exactly what is happening since they’re running and the body camera is being bounced around. Statements have come out that when he was turning it looks like he was reaching towards his waist band. With that added to the fact that he had a gun and it was radioed that he had shot at police they made the split second decision to shoot. 8 different officers. It’s not like they could have stopped and had a discussion on which one of them could discharge their weapon. This whole situation is just absolutely terrible and could have been avoided by both sides.
6ºAlicia Renee, those detectives, scientists or whatever you call them are lying.
I know you have an uncontrollable urge to whine and be angry and you will distort the facts if you have to in order to justify your anger.
Let me give you a friendly advice. Drop that anger. It's bad for you. If you want to keep your mental health in great shape, never be angry about anything, especially things that happened to other people. Everyone has their own life to live. What happens to people is often a direct consequence of their actions.
What if something happens to you personally, should you be angry? No. If someone wrongs you, you take legal action. A judge will decide if you are entitled to some form of compensation.
Even if something happened to you in the past, a good psychologist will tell you to forgive and forget. Move on so you can preserve your sanity.
Anger is a negative emotion. It wears you out. Drop it. Be happy. You deserve to be happy.
7ºHow many stories have we read like this? How many more murders of black men are going to happen this year? And in response, people passively protest 1960s style, which does absolutely nothing to change anything. Yelling "what do we want? Justice!" hasn't exactly made anyone fearful enough to change this behavior. Police have seen this a million times before. Maybe it's time to show them something new, something they haven't seen before.
Maybe it's time for a 21st Century solution for this 21st Century problem.
Want to make this stop? Maybe a more aggressive and direct and committed civil disobedience approach would be more appropriate. The response has to come from everywhere, at any time. Create unease. And Justice must remain faceless.
8ºRahul Padmadaban doesn’t matter if you’re Muslim or not. By your logic, all you have to do is look the part to be associated, correct? You can complain about two separate things. How do you know she doesn’t fight against violence in the black community. There are plenty of black groups in black communities that try to fight against it, but guess what.. that stuff doesn’t get nearly as much attention in the media. My comment in no way is defending the guy in the article. It’s simply about your comment of assuming all black people are associated with murderers.
9ºFor heaven's sake, people. If you're going to have armed police, which I understand you need, can you at least make sure they can handle things? This man was apparently unarmed, but let's say he wasn't, just for the sake of argument. Let's use an example of an armed threat. Not this guy, but somebody else.
In England, if we had somebody who was armed and dangerous, we have Authorised Firearms Officers all over the country, who can be activated if we need them.
They aim to be on-scene within 6 minutes, an Armed Vehicle Response team has both sidearms and long guns as well as training in close-quarters unarmed combat, and there is absolutely no way it would take them more than 40 shots (not counting any that missed the guy completely) to kill somebody if they absolutely had to.
And they do everything they can to avoid killing people. It's a last resort, just as it should be.
This is just embarrassing. And that's when thinking about a hypothetical armed person. In the specific case of this man, it's also incredibly sad.
10ºMachuki Strong everybody justifies what the police does until their loved one is on the other end, then it’s not fair. When he decided to run, we don’t know what he was thinking, but we know he wasn’t shooting at them. We also know that he was no longer a threat while running away! They remembered their part of the training that said handcuff the dead body but not the oath that said protect and serve! They’ll get away with this. It’ll be one less black man on the street to them! At this point I’ll believe nothing the report says!!
It’s kinda like that black boy that rolled himself up in a mat until it killed him then, he made all his organs disappear!!