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2ºOver a hundred years ago England
fail to help the apple of God eye.
That being the small nation of
Israel. England at the time was an
empire on which the sun never set.
Today it is a small island off the
coast of France. I’m so afraid we
are headed in the same direction.
I have no doubt Robert E Lee
would not want it there, if he came
back and saw what we have
become. He was no different than
George Washington, in that he
was fighting for independence.
Ask most anyone in the south
what they feel is wrong, that makes us upset at Washington.
The federal government has all
but taken over control of state
governments. The, I believe, 10th
amendment states that anything
not given specifically to the
federal government, is the the
responsibility of the states or the
people. Now, what was these men
fighting for in the civil war. They
wanted the southern states to be
an independent nation to follow
the constitution. Even in the
forming of the constitution, it
was a problem. Some wanted a
king, others wanted a strong
federal government. Others wanted weak federal and strong
states governments. Well the
civil war determined who was to
win. Who rules. Professors in our
colleges, most anyway, don’t even
believe in a creator. Yet they are
the ones deciding why the south
was fighting. Ask us, we will tell
you why they fought.

3ºDavid Pressel Do you actually know of any, or are you just saying "I'm sure there are some" as a way to avoid acknowledging the other side?

And no, I don't believe those documents were the only ones written. But if they're the only ones officially ratified by a legal body, they're clearly the most important.

Saying that the Articles of Secession "aren't the only ones written" so they don't count is like saying you can't use the Declaration of Independence to figure out why America rebelled from Britain.

They wouldn't have ratified it into an official legal document if they didn't seriously mean it.

4ºKent Christon Unless it was the northern states deciding to use their states rights to not enforce the Fugitive Slave Act. The south wasn't in favor of states rights when it got in the way of their slavery.

Or when Kentucky declared neutrality and the Confederacy invaded them and installed a pro-Confederate government. That was another case where states rights weren't actually all that important to the Confederacy.

Or when the Kansas-Nebraska Act was signed, popular sovereignty said that most people wanted Kansas to be free, and then a pro-slavery government was installed anyway.

You know, for a nation that was supposedly fighting for states rights, they sure did fight *against* states rights a lot.

5ºMark Lundgren you're not wrong, however, it was literally a shift in the name, and obviously if you compare today's Republicans with our Democratic ancestors, they would sharply align with each other, so your point is moot and meaningless.

https://www.livescience.c...-platforms.html

Here's a little history lesson for ya, since you clearly needed the insight:
"During the 1860s, Republicans, who dominated northern states, orchestrated an ambitious expansion of federal power, described by the Free Dictionary as "a system of government in which power is divided between a central authority and constituent political units." This helped to fund the transcontinental railroad, the state university system and the settlement of the West by homesteaders, and instating a national currency and protective tariff. The Democrats, who dominated the South, opposed those measures. Indeed, according to the author George McCoy Blackburn ("French Newspaper Opinion on the American Civil War(opens in new tab)," (Greenwood Press, 1997) the French newspaper Presse stated that the Republican Doctrine at this time was "The most Liberal in its goals but the most dictatorial in its means."

6ºWilliam Henry -- The jury says you're wrong. The toxicology report says none of the things you mention were the primary cause of death. He was murdered by a cop. That cop was convicted. End of story.

Now back to the 'whataboutism' nature of your original comment. Do you you have evidence that George Floyd committed treason against the United States for the purpose of maintaining the institution of slavery? When he led or fought in an army that killed tens-of-thousands of American soldiers? When he violated his oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution?

If not, then in the context of the subject at hand, your comparison of him with soldiers of the Confederacy who did all those things is beyond ridiculous. But then that's you...;)

7ºDoug Clifton 1....not a single thing I stated was false or misleading. Toxicology reports are well doccumented.

I don't have to find anything past hos toxicology report and criminal record, including of that day.....to support him as being an unworthy person to erect a statute of, and I find it quite offensive that a career criminal and "Druggie" would be found worthy of such honor and privlidge. It's offensive to a lot of people, and has nothing to do with race as you so desperately want to make it.

So here is a link that you no doubt accept....CNN. as much as they spin and omit many of the autopsy findings....they still confirm what I stated. Interestingly, if you look at the top report attached to the autopsy, you will find the Fentanyl dose identified is at fatal levels for a healthy person.....let alone someone with COVID and severe coronary disease.

So...either offer proof im wrong....or apologize for.lying about me.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/...y-10/index.html

8ºShawn Beauchane probably because he graduated 2nd in his class and was superintendent at one point. His tactics, as well as other Confederate generals, have been studied by just about every class since the war.

Who cares if it was "recognized"? I don't recall them needing to seek approval from anyone.

And "defending those who wanted to own other humans"? You do realize that the only slave ships into ports carried the US flag? That Lincoln had to bribe the border states to not enter the war by allowing them to keep their slaves? Or that Lincoln could have cared less about "freeing the slaves"?

I'm sorry, but your simplistic statements are just that. Better than Shane's but that's not saying much.

9ºRick Sue Hudson Sandelli I agree, they should be teaching about how to win wars.

Not how to worship a man whose way of strategic warfare was already becoming obsolete by the time he had control, and whose tactics became clearly evident as mediocre once Jackson died and couldn't cover for him anymore. Lee never adapted to the fact that Jackson was one of the few that actually performed better with vague orders and a loose leash, as from Malvern Hill to Gettysburg, he failed to properly communicate what he wanted his officers to do.

Lee doesn't have any place in a modern military academy, either for his politics, ideology, or, with today's methods of warfare, even military acumen. He was still trying to fight wars of maneuver when things had begun shifting away from that decades prior, and he never learned to take advantage of that.

10ºThe states that attempted to secede from the union were treasonous.
The general officers down to the lowest foot soldiers who fought for the Confederacy were guilty of treason.
The Confederate battle flag is little more than a participation trophy for committing treason.

Why would anyone expect our nation's premier Army military academy to have monuments celebrating a cause, or any person who aided in that cause, that strove to tear the United States apart?

Put those things in a museum where they belong, displayed with explanations of the abominations they represented. Put that crap behind us so we can move on...