1ºScott Mason The good guys with guns idea is a reactionary plan. We need a proactive plan because, while it's good that there's occasionally someone around to stop a 'bad guy', there often times isn't one present. Also, by the time a 'good guy with a gun' responds, there are often already victims. Why not work on preventing the shooting from happening in the first place?
Use the well-publicized mall shooting from over the summer as an example. While it's good that the psycho was eventually stopped, it's not good to overlook the fact that people were shot there to begin with because our country, as a whole, refuses to address the problem. The "more guns equal less crime" mantra is verifiably false nationwide.
https://www.hsph.harvard....guns-and-death/
2ºIf kids have to walk through metal detectors to go to school, then we should all have to go through them, multiple times a day. I mean Walmart, grocery stores, maybe going from city to city. Look at Turlock CA for instance the two men and the shooting on Saturday came from Patterson and got into a fight in a bar. Alcohol and guns?? What could go wrong?! People are saying they should stay in Patterson. Make check points between cities and states. If our kids are subjected to all these protocols in schools around guns??? It's all so logical?! Smh. Freedom??? Shooting after shooting!
3ºMandy Love there are already 300 federal gun laws and regulations and another 15,000 at the staye and local levels...
According to CDC and FBI data less than .00003% of the guns in circulation are ever used in a crime and of than .00003% less than .0002% of those used in a crime are legally owned or obtained...
Also according to the CDC and FBI data there are more than 500k people who legal use a firearm for defensive / protective purposes each year...
You are simply never going to sanitize the criminal element in society by increasingly punishing the innocent whole of society for their actions...
If your neighbor drives drunk...would ot be fair to hold you responsible, fine you or impound your car...
of course not...
4ºMohammed Abdulselam Adem oh no no no .... Only those with Islamic names they brand as terrorist .... If Christian John murdered 10 people hes a murderer & criminal ...If a criminal Mohamed or Khan murdered 10 people they brand them Terrorists --- They sells it to the American public & they eat it up..... This is the reason an American Hindu woman Toolsie Gabbar whom aspiring to be US president said shes a Dove but Hawk on Terrorist ... She knows she cant be Hawk & Dove at the same time so this brings into the religion play between Muslims & Hindus ...
5ºKrystian Cieslak Too busy laughing at you, Cieslak, you are so pathetic. What teacher is Scotland? He wasn't a teacher. Did I say all violence comes from minorities? No I didn't. Just take things out of context why don't you. Shows you up. And you don't even understand what happens in Poland. And insults just add to the fact you have been slapped down, Cieslak. Forearms? Good grief. Got something wrong just had that in my head didn't check it. How about Switzerland has fewer guns than Austria, Serbia, Montenegro, Cyprus, Finland, Iceland and Bosnia. You are deflecting. Do you actually know what that means? Look it up. It is all you have seeing as all firearm statistics from the US are bad. If anyone has a low IQ it is you. Mine is 127. I also have a degree, written books and done all sorts of things. What have you got? Nothing. Insults show you have nothing, Cieslak. Now I am off to bed with my wife. I also have three children and 6 grandchildren. And my eldest son is a police sergeant who doesn't have gun like most police officers in the UK. He still takes down criminals with weapons. You would run.
6ºJohn Cozza 1. You can try arguing that, "criminals won't follow laws," but there's evidence showing that gun laws help. They're not perfect, but part of the problem is that they're often watered down by the Right. Also, the fact that gun laws change from region to region doesn't help. If you tell a child that they can't access the cookies in the kitchen but there are cookies available in the nearby living room, the kids can go to the living room and return to the kitchen with the cookies. That doesn't mean that the kitchen cookie rule is ineffective. Look where guns come from that are used for crimes in Chicago, for example.
https://www.atf.gov/resou...a-illinois-2020
"About six in ten "crime guns" seized by Chicago Police originated from gun shops outside of Illinois, according to a 2017 report."
http://robinkelly.house.g...gs-chicago-come
(60% of the 14,986 mentioned in the first link is 8991.6.)
https://www.charlotteobse...e261831775.html
https://www.center4resear...ol-really-work/
"...places with the highest rates of death are not Maryland, Michigan, and Illinois. They are Mississippi, Louisiana, Wyoming, Missouri, and Alabama. The places with weaker gun laws have higher rates of death.
"Nearly 70% of mass shootings involve domestic violence, Lisa Geller, MPH, state affairs advisor for the Center..." (not gang violence, like what often happens in cities)
"We have more guns than people in this country, yet we are the only country that continues to experience exceptionally high rates of firearm homicide and fatal mass shootings occurring with regularity.
https://publichealth.jhu....ut-gun-violence
2. State by state stats vary, as you'll see if you check out the map and tables on the site below. People like to point to NY as having high crime rates in spite of tougher gun laws, but NY has less crime per x amount of people than TX. Again, it varies by state and many factors. If people can easily cross state lines to obtain a firearm, they'll do so. That doesn't reflect the effectiveness of gun laws in the state they're from. If you tell a child they can't have the cookies in the kitchen but there are cookies readily available in the living room, they can easily visit the living room and obtain cookies there.
7ºSebastian Chong That's statistically false.
1. If you look at national stats, the more guns we have the more violence we have. If more guns truly equaled less gun violence overall, we would be in the safest country. We, by far, have the most guns per 100 residents in the world. We have double the amount of guns of the next highest county, Yemen. We also rank second in total gun deaths in the world, behind only Brazil. How many mass shootings have we had so far in 2022? Over 600! Other countries have people with mental illnesses as well, but they don't have hundreds of mass shootings a year, do they? We have a gun problem.
2. Private citizens rarely use guns to kill criminals or stop crimes. (Violence Policy Center) The study, Firearm Justifiable Homicides and Non-Fatal Self-Defense Gun Use, shows that private citizens are far more likely to use guns to harm others or themselves than to use them to kill in self-defense. The study finds that there were only 259 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearm and that 13 states reported zero justifiable firearm homicides that year. That same year, there were 8,342 criminal firearm homicides.
Comparing these numbers, for every justifiable homicide in the United States involving a gun, guns were used in 32 criminal homicides. And this ratio does not even take into account the tens of thousands of lives needlessly lost in gun suicides and unintentional shootings that year.
“The NRA has staked its entire agenda on the claim that guns are necessary for self-defense, but this gun industry propaganda has no basis in fact."
In addition, only a tiny fraction of the intended victims of violent crime or property crime employ guns for self-defense. Over a five-year period, less than one percent of victims of attempted or completed violent crimes used a firearm, and only a tenth of one percent of victims of attempted or completed property crimes used a firearm.
“We hope legislators in every state will stop believing the self-defense myth and look at the facts."
The study analyzes data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program’s Supplementary Homicide Report (SHR) and cites survey data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS).
3. "Of homicides between 2005 and 2010 in the FBI's homicide report, only 2.57 percent of the homicides were ruled as justified."
https://crimeandjusticere...fied-homicides/
4. The good guys with guns idea is a reactionary plan. We need a proactive plan because, while it's good that there's occasionally someone around to stop a 'bad guy', there often times isn't one present. Also, by the time a 'good guy with a gun' responds, there are often already victims. Why not work on preventing the shooting from happening in the first place?
Use the well-publicized mall shooting from over the summer as an example. While it's good that the psycho was eventually stopped, it's not good to overlook the fact that people were shot there to begin with because our country, as a whole, refuses to address the problem. The "more guns equal less crime" mantra is verifiably false nationwide.
https://www.hsph.harvard....guns-and-death/