Antifa is fascist, exactly the opposite of what it claims to be

           

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You can associate it, that doesn't mean they are interchangeable. Is all white nationalism authoritarian? Is all authoritarianism white nationalism? No. This is clear fallacious thinking. This reminds me of the question on IQ tests: All floogets are wizzles. Some wizzles are bobbles. All bobbles are floogets. True or false? (the answer is false) Ben Shapiro is not a Nazi, fascist, or white nationalist. He is just a nationalist. I find it funny people 'accuse' Trump of being a nationalist. If the president of your nation isn't a nationalist, you have larger problems to deal with in the present than echoes of an 70 year old foreign government.


Yes actually. In theory. Marxism saw itself as more democratic because it had eliminated the rule of money (capital) which subverts and perverts and in a way prevents the realisation of true democracy. The Communist Manifesto's stated aim was "to win the battle for democracy." Trotsky talks at length about achieving "democracy and national emancipation" (nations were supposed to go away) and really fervently believed in this idea of People (the oppressed) being prisoners of a theoretical oppressor class, who had to be overthrown.
He's got a point about the money. The rest seems like a very convenient way to go about overthrowing governments. But it worked. Spain, Hungary, Bavaria... Fascists broke the spell of the oppressor-oppressed dialectic and saw a People as a single organic unity. I'd say yes it was socialism but of an entirely different kind. Not international, more medieval.


If they are not using violence at the time, then Antifa is still the one in the wrong. End of story.

Just because you believe you have a moral high ground does not justify using violence.

Let me give you a scenario, if I had a CCW license and was walking by a protest and saw an Antifa protester start beating an avowed skinhead with swastika tattoos carrying a Nazi flag with a bat without the skinhead offering violence first, I shoot the Antifa guy.

I will oppose to my dying breath the skinhead, but I will protect his right to his beliefs.


It's a matter of degree. If you favor nationalism at the expense of internationalism that leads to peace and prosperity, then "yes" nationalism becomes a hinderance, possibly even a national security threat. If you favor internationalism and prefer a world with one government and no borders, that could also become a hinderance and national security threat.
The trick is finding the right balance between the two extremes...unlikely if both sides keep describing their opponent by its furthest extremes.
I've listened to Shapiro occasionally and IMO he's extremely pro-Israel and authoritarian and seems to have a "talent" for "talking down" to others. Perhaps he's that smart; perhaps not. He doesn't seem to be able to hold a job for very long.


You realize that unbiased readers can simply google the history of Hitler and the Nazis...right?

Who are we going to believe: some obscure website?
Or Hitler's own words and policies ?

"Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism." -Adolf Hitler


Roger Baldwin: Prominent American Socialist and FOUNDER of the ACLU, explains why dictatorship is necessary to achieve the socialist Utopia:

"When that power of the working class is once achieved, as it has been only in the Soviet Union, I am for maintaining it by any means whatever. Dictatorship is the obvious means in a world of enemies at home and abroad. I dislike it in principle as dangerous to its own objects. But the Soviet Union has already created liberties far greater than exist elsewhere in the world. .....
If American champions of civil liberty could all think in terms of economic freedom as the goal of their labors, they too would accept "workers' democracy" as far superior to what the capitalist world offers to any but a small minority. Yes, and they would accept — regretfully, of course — the necessity of dictatorship while the job of reorganizing society on a socialist basis is being done."


You're no different than any other far right weirdo on the internet.
You are no different from any triggered TDS sufferer on the interent.

You are against anti-fascist groups because you are a fascist or at least a supporter of them. Let me guess, you are a member of a fascist White Supremacist organization or maybe a neo-KKK member?
Nope, no one is!

Come on, you can be honest. This is a blog. No one here knows you …
I like that you call anyone who calls out your shit a fascist, because that is what Antifa does too, then you can justify your violent attacks and falsehoods right?


No, it doesn't.

He says "obeying their directives" as if they were authoritarian rulers and I'd like to know what they are from an ideological standpoint.

Your simpleton response of "Don't hold opinions we don't approve of" doesn't answer the question at all.

"These people attack their own members for simply carrying a US flag they stole from someone else. Literally violent against themselves for arbitrary reasons at the drop of a hat. Defend them. Wear your brown shirt, you've earned it today."

Nothing here answers my question here either. This is nothing but a lame **TRIGGERED** rant by an obvious Reactionary who assumes I'm defending them just because I'm asking a question.

FFS get a grip


It wasn't just some generic "other" they blamed. Nor were the accusations nebulous or vague. Ted you seem like a smart guy. You've already mentioned there were 3 or 4 fascist governments. All of them name one and the same Other-- Jews. Not your ordinary other. You will find Democracies, Monarchies, Republics, People's Republics, etc. dish out similar blame to this Other for many of the same reasons. And you can argue that these accusations were either real or imagined; except in the case of Nazism it would be very difficult indeed to argue that Jews were not violently opposed to it and so should be considered harmless. Many in positions of power in the US, USSR and British Empire with decisive role in decision-making. Israel existed long before it became a territorial entity as a supranational power and it was a belligerent in the war. In fact it's one of the only belligerents that actually achieved its war aims-- namely the expropriation of Palestine.
The scapegoat fallacy just doesn't hold water. People believe it because it's said over and over again.


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We must first define what is fascist, if we are seriously going to discuss this.
Core trademarks of fascism are (according to encyclopedia Brittanica):
- extremely nationalist: believing the national identity
- believe state has to have absolute power, which is typically bestowed in the vision of One Strong Man (El Duce, The Führer or El Generalissimo).
- believes some nationalities or people are more “privileged” than others
- believe nations are in continious fight for space and resources (natural state of war)
- is fundamentally anti-rational and anti-(social) sciences (not anti-technology)
- is intrinsically anti-democratic, but willing to oblige democratic rule to come in ruling position
- appreciate (pseudo) historical and militaristic symbolism
- opportunistic politics

Although I do think antifa somestimes takes to the extremes (and beyond), to me they do not qualify as fascists. Not in the historical meaning. So I understand this label as an ignorant emotional outcry and sarcastic and ideological (and therefore not logical) dismissal. Typical of the current political climate in Western politics.