1ºI appreciate the candor and I will try to return the favor by addressing all your points candidly.
I urge you to find means to watch that footage (I'll try to find an accessible version, if for some reason your region is blocking it).
If you watch it (and that, mind you, is the censored version), it should dawn on you that what Hamas did was not "wrong".
It was savage.
Savage in such levels that leave no room for academic moral discussions that belon in the faculty of ethics.
It is the face of true evil which must be annihilated. No less. The whole city. the whole culture.
I don't care if the Nazis said the same thing about my people.
Because they said it about a refined, genteel people, who gave thinkers, philosophers and musicians, in short - kind people, to the world.
I'm talking about a band of rapists who are exhilarated by the sight of blood
And these savages where brought up in homes that raised them to be just that
(https://youtu.be/sBtEDMsl_SM?si=13aGLx8YynXm9VhL
https://youtu.be/2N2B78PoQIs?si=JCJ3jydGa-p3rbQD )
So on what moral grounds should I spare this culture, just to wait and be struck by it again?
Gaza wasn't born in 2023.
Long before Hamas, the Fedayeen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedayeen ) started slaughtering us long before we entered Gaza, while it was controlled by Egypt.
What was the "occupation" that drove them back then.
And do you think the slaughter of Jews started only after "occupation" and founding of Israel?
Nope. sorry.
Already back in 1929, the Arabs of Hebron slaughtered their Jewish neighbors, for no specific reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots
I guess it was just a customary way to self-energize.
So am I OK with killing 10,000 in retaliation?
Hell yeah I am!
How would you feel if God forbid, someone killed your child and his family, who to start with sent him to do so, praised him and cheered him for it?
If you had the means, would you not want to exact vengeance?
would you make sure it was not "disproportionate"?
Especially when that family promises to take out yet more of your kids..
So the only way the "vicious cycle" is broken is when the real evil (not the PC induces concept of evil) is uprooted and destroyed. For good.
Cause if not - it's just a matter of time before we're hit with this again.
2ºOhhhh, she was "shocked"... poor girl... This time CNN - you really outdid yourselves... Do you have it in more pretending? You are really trying to do all you can to harm Israel legitimacy at any cost, huh?
The Hamasniks and their supporters have gotten used to doing whatever they want without an Israeli response... Well, unfortunately for them (and also for CNN), the time has come for the terrorists and all their collaborators to realize that Israel is done playing games... Anyone who is involved in terrorist activities will be dealt with harshly. It's about time !
#IstandwithIsrael
3ºAmr Darwish
and I'll address your last words in your comment:
They have turned it into their own concentration camp.
Billions have been poured on them. All going either to pad the pockets of Hamas officials or, mainly, towards their effort of producing more and more tunnels and rockets.
They have no food now, right? but they still have thousands of rockets.
It's mind boggling.
But the most important distinction between us, is our love of life and their love of death, the yearn to be a "shahid", killing as many as possible with you.
It is not about occupation.
God knows what makes people animal like, driving them to literally butcher their fellow man from close up.
Was ISIS also fighting occupation?
Is Boko Haram fighting occupation?
If an Israeli fighter drops a bomb, killing enemy civilians, he goes to sleep with a (completely unjustified) horrible conscience.
A Gazan kills Jews, babies and women? He's Jubilant about being covered in their blood and brags about it.
4º#StopJewishHate #StopAntisemitism
Antisemitic Comments Increase Across Chinese Social Media. https://www.wsj.com/world...-media-6e73cf5c
Israel accuses Chinese state TV of 'blatant antisemitism' | AP News https://apnews.com/articl...fdb3dc2b16f7e0e
Antisemitism Surges in China Online and in State Media - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2...tisemitism.html
Chinese companies remove ‘Israel’ from digital maps as Xi backs Palestine - World News https://www.wionews.com/w...alestine-653309
Why a wave of anti-Semitism is sweeping across China https://www.telegraph.co....hamas-conflict/
On Chinese social media, Israel-Hamas war fuels debate and nationalist sentiment | CNN https://www.cnn.com/2023/...-hnk/index.html
Chinese Netizens Post Hate-Filled Comments to Israeli Embassy’s Online Account https://www.voanews.com/a...g-/7318881.html
This American rabbi is fighting antisemitism in China with online videos – J. https://jweekly.com/2022/...-to-fight-them/
China's Social Media Pushes Back on Israel's Online Appeals https://www.newsweek.com/...l-media-1833012
5ºAmr Darwish
So seriously nothing I explained above makes a difference?
Raping and butchering *really* innocent, peace-seeking people, children and babies, face to face, with gory glee is exactly the same as bombing in retaliation the mob that produces, embraces, rejoices in, and promotes promotes those horrors?
The Nazis blitzing London
and the Brits retaliating in Dresden and Hamburg
= all the same?
The Japanese attacking, unprovoked, at Pearl Harbor
and the Americans, after several years of war, dumping atomic bombs
= all the same?
And if not
Why when Hamas massacres the most liberal, leftist, humanistic youths at a music festival and babies in their cribs at close range
does in fact equal to the vengeance exacted?
6ºAlice Carpentar do you see a difference between Hamas and Palestinian civilians?
I bring up the boy who cried wolf (which I hope you are familiar with) and the WWI - in that when enough lies are asserted, trust is no longer freely given. In this case, the lie regard the Israeli targeting the Baptist hospital, couple with the lie that Israel is conducting genocide, coupled with Israel is an Apartheid government, coupled with Hamas intentionally using human shields, coupled with Hamas intentionally setting civilians in harms way - leads one to not believe the information coming out of Palestine.
You can call me racist and fascist, it doesn’t matter - because I know you are wrong and your opinion does not affect me.
But you are right, you don’t want to find yourself on the wrong side of history.
7ºAlice Carpentar this is perfect example of believing propaganda. Israel did not bomb the Baptist hospital. If you are willing to lie about the hospital, why should I believe that the journalist was killed by Israel? I have yet to find evidence that Israel is carpet bombing. Though I can understand why the refugee camp was bombed given the location of the camp.
Don’t misunderstand me, I don’t believe Israel either, not until they provide additional evidence. I do agree that facts are pesky, especially those that disprove that Israel is an apartheid, or that Gaza is a concentration camp, or that Gaza is a death camp (that is just laughable), or that there ethnic cleansing.
Depending on how you define the holy land (typically the location of the twelve tribes), Gaza isn’t part of the holy land. Anyway, I do support the expulsion because it is an attempt to mitigate civilian casualties.
You should start thinking.
8ºYou got all these mix people behind the wall that side with their other half YT ppl that place them in the mid E to cause turmoil between the countries so that they can have them dismantle each other and maintain their world positioning as a superpower… You can’t have other countries gaining on you if you want to be in power… That is what is really going on… And the people over here in the states, do not support it whatsoever, but they have their key people in government that have the microphone… Social media has expose them all… everyone in the world knows that those people do not belong there… The entire world knows this, and has turned their back on those people that are trying to grab these poor people’s land… This is the exact same thing they did to brothers and sisters during slavery through today in this country… no social media then…. but we have it now to see what’s really going on… They can’t control the narrative anymore
9ºAvi Klein well no point in sharing videos as well of Israel atrocities & genocide of civilians since u believe massacring 10,000 innocent people is fine, I guess dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza as your minister suggested is fine with u too .. anyway Israel atrocities hasn’t been in Gaza only , its all over Palestine where ham#s doesn’t exist,, your grandfathers went through the holocaust & you decide that this gives you the premise of doing the same to other people based on their religion & ethnicity, and those people are the ones indigenous to the land so its even worse Anyway it seems humans don’t learn from history, lets see where this will go..
10ºAlice Carpentar consider this, why are you upset?
Are you upset that I’m skeptical of the information being provided by a terrorist group? That there there is a call to be skeptical given that the terrorist group lied and people believed it?
Or are you mad because I’m not toeing the line and accepting the premise that Israel is bad.
Here is my argument which I believe Chaim may agree with. I don’t want civilians to be killed, and there is a difference between Hamas (by extension other terrorist group in the area) and Gaza civilians. However, civilians will be killed because Hamas uses civilians as human shields (as they admitted) and that the death of civilians benefits them politically (as they admitted).
I am sure we can both agree that Hamas is bad and need to be targeted, killed, and captured.