Until The Supreme Court Acts, Christians Will Be Punished For Thought Crimes

           

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I agree with that as well. I actually agree with total freedom of association. Under current law, a gay baker should not be able to refuse to make a cake with a quote from the Bible that condemns homosexuality (although in reality the laws are not applied equally.)

I actually believe that the gay baker should have a right to refuse Westboro Baptists, or any other customer he deems unacceptable for any reason he sees fit.

As a conservative Christian, I am more likely in this day and age to be discriminated against than anybody - but I still support that freedom, because I don't think the government has any business telling anyone who they must associate with.


Wedding cakes are not something that are simply sold over the counter like cookies or cupcakes are. When my wife and I got married, we had to sign a contract with the baker for the cake, because it was done outside of the normal operations of the bakery. It's a separate, commissioned work. As such, the baker has the right to choose who they do and don't do business with. That is, a wedding cake contract is a private agreement between a baker and a client, not public, such as the baker baking a variety of goods to be sold over the counter.

The state of Colorado even acknowledged the artistry involved in baking and decorating wedding cakes, and that cakes could be considered to be artwork, and thus protected by the 1st Amendment...At that point, it becomes a simple question: Does an artist have the right to determine who they work for as far as private commissions go? Of course they do. Otherwise, you could demand a Jewish baker make you a cake with pro Third Reich imagery or text on it...and if they refuse, you could sue them...Which we would all recognize as ridiculous...yet that's exactly what is being argued in favor of by those who believe the baker should be held liable...That bakers, in a private, contracted commission, do NOT have the right to choose their customers, that they do NOT have the right of Freedom of Association, or Freedom of Contract.

The fact that the baker is Christian is irrelevant. Either you have the right to decline a private contract or you don't. For any reason.


In a public setting? No. In a religious setting such as a church? Yes.

But that's beside the point. Had the gay couple simply tried to purchase a standard cake that the bakery sells over the counter, and they refused, it absolutely would have been discriminatory, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

However, once you delve into private offerings, such as wedding cakes, that the bakery and the customer have to mutually agree to do business with each other over a signed contract, that is something that is outside of normal business operations. As such, the baker has the fundamental right to choose who he or she chooses to enter into a legally binding contract with.

Let me put it this way: Should a Jewish baker be forced to bake a custom cake with pro-Third Reich imagery and text on it, because a customer wants it? How about a Muslim baker being required to make a custom cake with a picture of Muhammed on it?

Because that's what the anti-bakery people are essentially arguing. They are trying to make the case that you should have no choice whatsoever who you can do business with, even with privately commissioned work, and that you cannot refuse ANYONE for any reason...

Personally, I don't GAF about gay or straight wedding cakes. This isn't about religion to me...this is solely about the fundamental right of being able to choose who you enter into a business contract with. I don't care who buys what baked goods over the counter...it's entirely irrelevant...But a wedding cake is contracted. It's outside of normal business, a private arrangement between the baker and the customer. And because it is contracted, both sides have to mutually agree to do business with each other. If one side doesn't agree, you can't force them.



A LESSON IN CHRISTIAN MYTHOLOGY

The Bible is a collection of contradictory myths and folk tales, mixed in with a little history, originally written in obscure and now dead languages, translated differently over a hundred different times just in English, and reinterpreted, modified, and amended on numerous occasions over a period spanning at least 3,000 years. Due to its hopeless ambiguity, it is and has been subject to endless debate regarding its interpretations. (Unfortunately, your god never speaks or does anything to clarify the ambiguity which is a problem all gods suffer from.) As a consequence, there has been an endless parade of interpretations of the Bible with the more than one hundred different translations producing over 40,000 different Christian denominations, each with their own unique interpretation of the Bible. This is obviously the work of ignorant, uneducated, and superstitious men and hardly the work of an all-knowing, all-powerful, god. The god of Christianity is no different than all the other gods we now regard as mythology. It really is that simple.


He has the right to decline for them being gay at the time as CO law did not include sexual orientation in what citizens could not be discriminated against. He would have to make up a lie under the new law as to why he could not make a cake specifically for them under the current law.

To me, this is an issue adults should be able to handle without gov't or courts getting involved. The baker IMO is projecting way too much to suggest that baking a cake is against his religion. It's simply not logical especially considered gay marriage was not even legal in CO at the time, it was literally for a party to celebrate the couple getting married in Mass and traveling back home.

With that said, the couple could have easily just let it go an moved on to a competitor.

Neither acted like an adult in this situation and both parties deserve this nightmare of an outcome.


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