Now you're shifting the goal posts. We were talking about personal life satisfaction, and now we're talking about actual criminal action against minorities?

Sure the "philosophy" is difficult. But I am one of your "hated minority", so I can say from experience that it's not impossible, and nothing worth having is ever easy to get. I never suggested gays, blacks, and jews, should just ignore the homicides committed against them. That's ridiculous. That is real action taken against someone with intent to cause physical harm, and a different topic entirely. Neither do I aim to portray society as innocent. As I stated before, society is cruel, and will as soon run you over. Society certainly has power over the psyche of the individual, I'm not denying that. BUT, they only have power where it is given to them. I'm not talking about threat of physical force. I'm talking about power over the psyche. Ostracization and resentment is not physical aggression. And if someone is letting the words and attitudes of others affect their personal self worth to the point they are considering or acting on suicidal thoughts, they are letting societal opinion take more power than it should have. Absent actual physical threat of force, the only power society has over you is the power you give it.

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I wasn't talking about banning the procedure. I was talking about satisfaction compared with regret.

No, we don't know the motivation behind the suicide. Not usually anyway, and certainly not on a non-specific level. But the suicide rate in the trans community is nearly 9x the general population (41% vs 4.6% respectively). And if the trans person is multi racial, it's 33x the general population.

"Even with your statistic (which I did not check), that would be 59% to 41%, so using your logic, more are happy than not."

A) That's not my logic. B) No, that would mean that 59% did not try to commit suicide. That doesn't mean they are "happy".

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I block for three specific reasons:

1. The person repeatedly used "ad hominem" (usually borderline vulgar attacks, like directly calling me a name).
2. The account is spam; garbage posts, etc.
3. The person is so unwilling to accept facts that they constantly "move the goalposts", or lead you down a rabbit hole, even going so far as to go "full circle", and they're not smart enough to comprehend the most basic of facts. These are the ones that suck the weekend out of a person, and still can't grasp simple concepts. I believe these are mostly children (actual kids), or <80 IQ.

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When medical science can change human chromosonal makeup from ' XX ' to ' XY ' and ' XY ' to ' XX ' without killing the patient, then please get back to me. That would actually be a true transgender transformation.

Until then, this entire faux 'transgender' debate is nothing more than dangerous surgical and pharmacological 'window dressing' on people with serious mental health issues immersed in a BS sea of angry political correctness (like we need more of that!).

It is currently not much more than 'make believe' and is just another way of screwing up your life and body and then forcing yet another sad lie on yourself, your family and the rest of society.

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That's right. Psychology isn't science.

Why can we definitively say that? Because psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability.

Happiness research is a great example of why psychology isn't science. How exactly should "happiness" be defined? The meaning of that word differs from person to person and especially between cultures. What makes Americans happy doesn't necessarily make Chinese people happy. How does one measure happiness? Psychologists can't use a ruler or a microscope, so they invent an arbitrary scale. Today, personally, I'm feeling about a 3.7 out of 5. How about you?

The failure to meet the first two requirements of scientific rigor (clear terminology and quantifiability) makes it almost impossible for happiness research to meet the other three. How can an experiment be consistently reproducible or provide any useful predictions if the basic terms are vague and unquantifiable? And when exactly has there ever been a reliable prediction made about human behavior? Making useful predictions is a vital part of the scientific process, but psychology has a dismal record in this regard. Just ask a foreign policy or intelligence analyst.

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No biological man can claim that he’s a “woman” and have a verifiable way to prove it. It’s simply based on a “feeling”. Just like I can’t “prove” to you that I have a headache, no trans person can claim that they’re “trans” (in factual reality).
Is gender something that is “changeable”? Is it possible to be “born” as a gender that doesn’t “match” your sex? If you claim it is, then how do you explain “gender fluid” people? They supposedly “change” their gender!
Many people will argue that you can change your “sex”, but sex is biological, and cannot be changed. The term that they’re using is “gender reassignment surgery” so the name suggests that you’re changing your “gender”, not your “sex”. Furthermore, if you’re supposedly “changing”, then that means you were the other way “before the change”, so this also eliminates the “born as mismatched gender/sex” argument. But let’s say you do the “surgery”, and you’ve “changed”. Well, you’re not changing anything biological, you’re simply changing the “outside to match the inside” (that’s the argument anyway). So your “sex” is set in stone; unchangeable. You’ve simply changed your “sex organs”, which proves that you’re “changing” something that was original. If you were “supposed to be the opposite”, then why do you need drugs and surgery to “complete” it?
Some people will claim that you can change your “gender”, simply by identifying as the opposite gender. And I’m okay with that. But I am only okay with knowing that it’s a claim, and not an actual provable fact (remember the “headache” reference in the beginning?). You also don’t get to limit or force the use of specific pronouns, just because that’s what you “feel”. Your rights end where mine begin, and I have the right to call you what I wish, just as you have the right to call me what you wish. The argument that people then bring up, is this: it’s disrespectful. Well, I feel as though forcing me to believe your feelings of “mismatched gender” is disrespectful to MY beliefs. So who’s “right”? It doesn’t matter, as long as I’m not forcing anything on you, and you’re not forcing anything on me.
What about when a man says that he’s a woman? His only possible argument is that he’s “changing” his gender, not his sex. So is it wrong to force other people to use certain pronouns? What if the pronoun they’re using is referring to the sex of the person, not the gender (since gender is a “feeling”; that’s the claim anyway).

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Neither am I surprised that some succumb. But I do not think that is society's fault. I think the succumbing is the fault of the individual who does it.

Mentally fragile people seem to be multiplying in droves in modern society. So much so that even the grandparent generation alive today is appalled at their frailty. It didn't used to be that way. They are examples of how a mind all but devoid of personal responsibility and resilience have bred even more mental fragility, thereby turning the "need" of societal affirmation into the monster it is today. It only has the power it does because they gave it power. And they continue to feed it, because blaming society is easier and more appealing than acknowledging your own short comings (ie; if I can make my problem someone else's fault, they have to change, not me.- hence the SJW is born). Nothing good can come from it.

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If surgery is a treatment for gender dysphoria, then success mean releaf from it, your article says it is successful in that, all it proves is what i have said all along, it is not enough just by itself, it also requires they be accepted as their gender id, surgery csn help sometimes in this as well, but is not the main purpose, which is as i said treating gender dysphoria, which it does well evinced by the at leadt 94% to 100% satisfaction survey in 2017. I love how you cannot tell the purpose of the surgery , that is why i an laughing at you so hard.

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The suicide or attempted suicide rate of trans people who do not get the surgery is not significantly different from that of those who do. That was what my original comment pointed out. The point of the stat was to show that reassignment surgery generally does not appear to have any measurable impact on life satisfaction.

"They are satisfied enough not to commit suicide." is a pretty low bar, don't you think?

How much is mental illness and how much is societal reaction I think can be described in general trends. Not least because if the trans individual was actually making the transition for themselves and not for others, society's reaction shouldn't bother them in the least. Society is a cold heartless mistress that would sooner run you over than help you up. There are ALWAYS detractors. So I think societal rejection should play a very minor role, if any at all.

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